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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Tue, June 2, 2009 - 5:22 PMWell ... what made it so wonderful for me last year was tending the coffee bar, but the folks who usually run it were back holding down the fort this time and I didn't get the chance to help out. They were pretty territorial, actually, and that was rather disappointing, since people don't typically go to burns to be kept on the other side of barriers, but whatever.
Also, the creative spirit and energy of the DC contingency were very much missed, especially at the fire conclave. In the five years I've been safetying, this was the first time I ever felt uncomfortable about the safety practices, or lack thereof, and had concerns about the safety of bystanders. Having seen some very wild and impressive shit before, I can tell what's theatrical and what's just downright dangerous, and this crossed the line.
I guess really my biggest complaint is that the people running the event still just don't get it, and there were much fewer attendees this year who did.
But other than that it was nice. I got to relax in a hammock and finish reading a library book and also learned some chain maille weaves, and all the bugs apparently spent the weekend in Delaware.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 1:50 PMlyndahlia, does Wicker Man qualify as a burn? How many of the attendees are burners, and what are the backgrounds of the non-burners? -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 4:18 PM
Wicker Man is not an official Burn, although they've expressed
interest in becoming one.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 5:29 PMWell, I'm not sure what's required of a burn other than the, y'know, burning of things, but there was an effigy, and fire-spinning, and glowsticks and oontzes ... also drum circles and burning art and nekkid folks. Does that count?
Also, I didn't conduct any interviews of the attendees to find out exactly who were burners and who weren't; I know my campmates have been to BM and I saw many familiar faces, just not as many as last year. The theme camp next to us was mostly comprised of non-burner Ren Fest folks, but that is not a bad thing at all as new friends and fresh energy gets helps to pry one out of the rut that happens when you see the same people at the same parties over and over again. -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Wed, June 3, 2009 - 9:54 PMthe event is required to abide by the 10 principals...
www.burningman.com/whatisbu...ples.html
also I think you were camped next to my friends.. the ren fair people, from southern ny state, val woodchck and lots of chainmaille -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 3:58 AMWickerman is not an official Burning Man regional event. It is my understanding that this is largely due to the fact that it is run by a church (Four Quarters Farms Interfaith Sanctuary) and that is a deal breaker for Burning Man. Burning Man supports them and has talked to them a number of times, but they apparently agreed to keep a degree of separation and Wickerman will be its own thing. It may still be a burn depending on your definition of the term, just not an event officially sanctioned by Burning Man.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:06 AMThe 10 Principles only apply to official regionals, which WM is clearly not. It's a good starting point, though, and hopefully the steering committee will use the 10 Principles to improve upon the event in future years, if they keep having it.
I ADORED your friends! They are awesome :-) -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 5:49 AMis having two regionals in the same region possibile or are they mutually exclusive? PDF is the mid-atlantic burn officially, no? although i dont think it really matters. transformus isnt an official burn as of last year and the energy i felt while i was there still completely blew me away, sanctioned or not. -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Thu, June 4, 2009 - 4:19 PMI think 4QF still applies the 10 principles to their Wicker Man festival, but yeah it does have a basis in ritual and spirituality which kinda discounts it from being a regional burn that's recognized by the BMorg.
there's really no such thing as an "official" regional burn, though.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 5:48 AMLast year when Wickerman announced it's burn on the same weekend in the same region as PDF the excuse was '(4Q)didn't have any other dates available". Well here we are a full year later....so what's the deal? Starting a second burn in the same region was questionable...doing it on the same date as PDF was unforgivable.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 7:09 AMyeah... seems a little assanine(sp?) to me.
on the other hand... if you dont get a ticket to PDF now at least u have an option.
I Doubt itll ever be as popular as PDF. -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 10:23 AMOh boy! I ronically I saw a tidbit of the 70's movie "wickerman" in the irish pub at PDF- was somewhat disturbed, and eventually downloaded it after returning to "society". Holy Balls, what a good flick...
I had no Idea Wickerman was a festival though, sounds cool, what's the deal?
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Sat, June 6, 2009 - 4:21 PM>>Last year when Wickerman announced it's burn on the same weekend in the same region as PDF the excuse was '(4Q)didn't have any other dates available". Well here we are a full year later....so what's the deal?<<
I'm just guessing at this, I'm not a part of 4QF in anyway, but...
4QF sets aside two weekends for WM. One for set up and the next one for the actual event. They also have a lot other annual events and I don't think there is much room in their schedule. Until three or four years ago they had a regular event on Memorial day weekend and WM would not have been possible on that weekend.
As far as the question regarding a limit on Burning Man regional events in the same area/time, no there isn't. I do not know of anyone who runs a burn, official or not, who sees their event as being competitive with others. Sometimes the 'our burn is better' attitude leaks out, but they aren't really a commercial enterprise in the normal sense. Playa del Fuego is the mid-atlantic regional burn, because that is what we have called it. It is just the description, not any kind of territorial claim.
WM has obviously not hurt PDF's attendance in any great way. If anything having another similar event so geographically close on the same weekend has made it easier for PDF to manage growth. In my opinion, the more the merrier. -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 11:12 AM4QF asked me to teach at Wickerman this past year, and when I declined because I'd already committed to my campmates at PDF, they were incredibly nice about it. There seems to be no animosity or competition between the two events. They expressed regret that they had to schedule it the same weekend, but their year is absolutely full of events and they had no other choice.
I love 4QF, and it is a home away from home for me. I love PDF too, and I go each season and come home grinning... but I go to Four Quarters for different reasons. Drum and Splash and Stones Rising offer something for me that I simply haven't found at PDF, and PDF offers something that isn't to be found at 4QF.
I have not yet been to Wickerman, though I may attend next year to check it out.
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 12:34 AMdoes any one remeber the Wicker Man theme camp Spring of 08? -
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:45 AMYes! I'll never forget Wickerman's presence at PDF in the Spring 08! ha ha ha
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Re: So how was Wicker Man?
Mon, June 8, 2009 - 8:34 AMThe MrsMoonPie and I have done PDF once, Wickerman twice, and no other burns. We prefer the vibe of Wickerman, but can easily see how others would prefer PDF.
There doesn't seem to be as much community spirit at Wickerman as there is at PDF. Wickerman seems to be more about small groups hanging out in the woods, taking part in a few events, doing their own thing, whatever that may be--much more relaxed than PDF, but not as sociable. The theme camps--one of which we hosted--seemed to be more limited in scope; a few folks sponsoring a small event (like our wine tasting, or the giant swing in Sound Town), but no huge social events like naked slip 'n' slide.
We prefer Wickerman to PDF, but we're laid-back hippie oldsters. I absolutely can see how PDF would have a greater appeal to others.
