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"Ticket hoarding" is the practice of people buying more tickets than they need. This results in (and is caused by) tickets quickly selling-out, so that naive late-comers cannot plan to attend.
Ticket hoarding hurts the event: attendees are denied the participation and planning of those who want to attend but cannot. As well, those who miss out have an incentive to hoard tickets themselves next time.
But there is a positive side: the event is virtually guaranteed to sell out while ensuring that fewer people actually go, which means less hassle during the event.
I'm inaugurating this thread to discuss ticket hoarding specifically, including resources, links and opinions.
As I see it, hoarding is an economic issue, and there are probably very smart people out there who have studied it. Perhaps they have insight that will help make PDF an even better, more inclusive event.
Ticket hoarding hurts the event: attendees are denied the participation and planning of those who want to attend but cannot. As well, those who miss out have an incentive to hoard tickets themselves next time.
But there is a positive side: the event is virtually guaranteed to sell out while ensuring that fewer people actually go, which means less hassle during the event.
I'm inaugurating this thread to discuss ticket hoarding specifically, including resources, links and opinions.
As I see it, hoarding is an economic issue, and there are probably very smart people out there who have studied it. Perhaps they have insight that will help make PDF an even better, more inclusive event.
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 5:56 PMTicket hoarding pillary. You hear anyone mentioning their arrival at the burn with extra tickets. BAM! Pillary action. I will set some spring fruits and vegetables out in the sun to rot three weeks prior to the burn. -
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* people hoard tickets to increase their social capital
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:07 PMSomething about the structure of how tickets are sold causes the frenzy.
The Wikipedia entry on hoarding is pretty sparse, and doesn't seem at first look to apply to PDF:
"In economics, hoarding is the unfair practice of buying up resources so that they can be sold to customers for profit."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoar...economics)
However, if we expand the definition of 'profit' here a little bit to encompass 'social economy', it does fit: people hoard tickets to increase their social capital.
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Re: * people hoard tickets to increase their social capital
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:57 PMYep, people with credit resources can derive social influnece by having a large stash of tickets. Then they get cursed with deciding to whom they distribute them. They usually only have six, maybe a dozen, and because in the default world they also probably have a certain amount of social influence, they likely have more people who want a ticket than they actually have tickets.
Hey...it SUCKS TO BE THEM!
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* name and shame those who hoard.
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:12 PM>> ticket hoarding pillary <<
I had in mind something less punitive :)
If we can reward not-hoarding and shame hoarding, that would discourage the practice.
It could work like the Burning Man moop map, where you list names tickets bought vs. tickets used. Anyone could see the list. (Yes, there are problems, but remember this is a brainstorm: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming )
This would entail paperless tickets, which I suspect would also help to solve the problem. -
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Re: * name and shame those who hoard.
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:18 PMI'm making my pillary, end of story. It doesn't have to be used strickly for hoarders. For instance, moopers, or people who bring cameras to the naked slip 'n slide. And, people who are doing it really, really wrong.
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* use paperless tickets
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:31 PMAt least two ways that paperless tickets would increase participation:
* people who forget or lose their paper tickets can still get in!
* people who decide at the last minute that they cannot attend, can notify the gate and those who are waiting can purchase them.
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:02 PMIf tickets don't get hoarded, then PDF sells out 15 minutes more slowly. -
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 6:05 PMAnd, probably 100 more people actually attend the burn. Fucking jews... -
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:02 PMPersonally, I don't think any amount of discussion is going to change human nature. PDF is made by the people around us, and we all want those we know and love to be there with us. Yes this does have a tendency to make new comers feel as if they can't get a ticket, but IMHO it makes everyone without a ticket that much more resourceful. Offer a ride, be more friendly online, contact theme camps. If you want to be there, really, really want to be there, will do anything to be there, you'll get there. -
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 7:10 PMAnd people who get lucky, and end up with a buch of extra tickets because they don't have any friends to give them to...off to the pillary! -
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UNLIMITED SPACE....
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 8:04 PM...visualize a space so large we'd have trouble filling it with all our awesome friends AND those three dorky ones we want there anyway? NO TICKET CAP...in fact, it would reverse. If not ENOUGH tickets were sold by X weeks before the event, there'd be no event. THEN we'd NEED those benefactorial hoarders to step up and buy tix they know they'll probably never get to resell or even give away? Not really likely we'd find the UNLIMITED SPACE on the East Coast, but the reversal is just a way of derailing the train of thought. -
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Re: UNLIMITED SPACE....
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 8:06 PMDamn, you just blew my mind. Good thing I wrapped my head with duct tape first.
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Re: UNLIMITED SPACE....
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 4:45 PMIronically this is just how it looked in October 2001. We were genuinely
worried about not selling enough tickets to break even and having
the planners take a bath. We really did publicize the event widely
and sold around 230 tickets as I recall.
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Re: Ticket Hoarding Brainstorming and Resources
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 8:25 PM>> If you want to be there, really, really want to be there, will do anything to be there, you'll get there. <<
That's the traditional response any time someone addresses the problem of hoarding, and I appreciate that. The scarcity of tickets has happened so long that people can't imagine a PDF without it. "It's worked so far, why change?"
PDF will always be filled with people who really, really want to be there. In fact, people who can plan ahead, knowing that a ticket is there for them, will want to be there even more!
And the merely curious will be able to go and have an even more amazing burn.
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