Sounds like we got noisy and nasty and not in a good way this past burn. That sucks mightily.

P.S.

YOU'RE DOING IT WROOOOOOONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe we ought to put signs up about the sound policy and clean up, Leave No Trace at the gate and make sure to have the greeters make it well known when people come to the gate on arrival! Something along the lines of, "Are you aware of the turn down policy and the Leave No Trace principle, education. Any time we bring a virgin, it is required reading to read the survival guide online pre-event in order to camp with us, we "quiz" our newbies on it and we ALWAYS have a pre-burn meeting to go over each and every item with both the veterans and the newbies we bring!

*raises hand*

In case you don't know me, I'm pretty good at being the "asshole"

I guess going around and telling everyone that they were "doing it wrong" while I was working moop crew didn't do the trick. Next time I will keep my fire dart lit:)

I can be a moop and sound Nazi.


YOU! Pick that shit up!

I hated picking up moop at BM, because there was lots of it, and you had to pack it out - space constraints can be a big problem for that.
Picking shit up at PDF with dumpsters? No problem, just do it! One reason having public trash bags may be a GOOD thing at PDF where it's a BAD thing at BM.

Also, WTF people, Friday Night and there were already bottles/cans/non-shit shit in the potties?!
Christ, just because you're on something doesn't mean you have carte blanche to act like a 3 year old.

Having "public" trash bags at a burn goes so far off the "leave no trace/pack it in/pack it out" and I would be willing to bet that those same people who would overflow the public trash bags will NOT be the ones carting them to the dumpsters either!!

I'm glad you brought that up. I never found out what that one weird abandoned camp was. it was spooky, but NOT AS SCARY as the ashes. I wish I had been able to mark the Ash Dump location better, but there WERE notes in the W.W.W. and posters taped to the dumpsters. At least nobody put the ashes IN the dumpster. Where they were dumped was marginally better than that. They likely would have gone out if no wind picked up. As it was, we shoveled them up and put them (wet) onto the real ash dump. A better, more obvious ash dump WILL be designated further in advance than we did it this time.
The LBO's this event were pre-designated as far as i can tell: 'LAST BURNER OFF' was Ranger Blue, preceded by myself, Calamity & Smitty. We moved the Post-PDF 'debriefing' to the Smyrna Diner. We discussed the broken-windshield car and the Ghost Tent. The car had permission from The Vets; the tent and gear we hoped belonged to a friend of the vets, but we had no way of determining that. As for the Pavillion, Marti & I cleaned it thoroughly, the land was clear by sight, but admittedly not "rake-clean" like at BRC. If the 'ghost tent' was what the Vets had to clean up, we should probably try to figure who left it? It really looked to Andrej, myself and Blue as if it was 'creepy' and that it might even be 'evidence' so we left it. Sorry. Sometimes weird shit don't make no fuggin sense?!

Hey Yeti thanks for keeping the place from going up in flames. You always managed to be around at the right time :)

I can tell you right now that Camp Fogie will not have a moop bin at our camp, YOUR trash is YOUR responsibilty, NOT mine, my camps or anyone else's for that matter, and on the other hand, I do let people throw trash out here and there in our camp but I will be damned if I provide a trash receptacle that we have to throw out at the end, remember that principle, LEAVE NO TRACE!!!

Well said, Michael ;) It is clearly stated in the survival guide online, there are NO excuses!!!

Very true :)

While we had less moop to deal with, we did have a bag out that we let people use at our public kitchen, and it wasn't abused, which was nice. Also, while I'm all on that 'radical self reliance' thing, sometimes its nice when someone has a cup for you, and when someone else has a place to get rid of it.

Mmmm.... smoothies....

LOOK - THE FUCKING SOUND PATROL SUCKS AND IT DOES NOT EXIST. PERIOD.

Solution A: "LET's MOVE PDF TO A PLACE WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT?!"

Solution B: "FUCK THIS MISTER NICE GUY GOOD-NEIGHBOR SHIT! TURN YOUR GODDAM SUBWOOFERS OFF ASSHOLIOS! Y'ALL WANT A HARD-ASSS? I'LL DO IT! I DON'T LOVE U HIPPIES NO MORE! I'm PACKIN HEAT and I'm OFF my MEDZ and YOU WILL TURN THAT SHIT DOWN DICK-FOR_BRAINS OR I WILL SHOVE IT UP YOUR...
hey, look is that a chicken?"

Yep, I wish I was 8 foot tall and I could get away with not having to work things out slowly and "non-confrontationally"...but The Creator made me short and slow-moving for YOUR benefit!

Huh...this isn't HIGH school?...then a whole lot of people were in the wrong place having a right time.

But seriously, to the hundred or so "R.A.'s" (Responsible Adults) who stay sober and mostly-sober all weekend so that they can stand watch over the rest of us 900 Stumbling Funyuns day and night, I give you ALL {{{major kudos}}} !!! Thanks for your diligence and devotion. It seems there may be only 10% of you in the community, but I hope that you are extracting 90% of the satisfaction of realizing how essential you are to this community! [And on a personal note, MANY THANKS for putting up with my own self-created drama and poorly-planned pranks over the years before I migrated in your general direction.]

PDF's volunteer firemen, EMT's, doctors, lawyers, police, board members, soldiers, sailors, theme camp mappers & DPW hard-laborers, pyrotechnicians, sculptors, body-painters, greeters, GOD's, parking attendants, professional massage technicians, cooks, dishwashers, coffee and tea brewers, bakers and candle-stick makers...these quiet, behind-the-scenes people have already contributed plenty. You know who you are; names would embarrass you; but WORSE, pointing you out might make you have to work HARDER than you do already?! Like being drafted into being the "Sound Nazis".

So what we DO need is to CONTINUE BITCHING HERE in this Tribe, in cyberspace, NOT mentioning names, but just mentioning complaints. Whether they come from The Vets, their neighbors, the 'newbie' camp or the 'fogey' camp...ALL COMPLAINTS should be addressed. And creative solutions should be proposed. And then vetted. And eventually some workable solutions WILL surface.

It's easy enough to click away to another topic here, online, than it is to 'walk away' from a loud camp whether it is from ELECTRONIC high volume, or just HISTRIONIC loudness from an argumentative drunk outside the next tent over. In this 'Tribe.net' (or the BBS?) we can easily 'move our mouse' if we don't like the discussion, but it's harder to 'move our house' once we've set up at PDF.

BUT I hope that people with ANY complaints can keep them 'generalized' and not 'personalized'...it's a subtle difference, but an important one. Try talking to an exhausted DJ at 6 AM who honestly doesn't realize that 3 prior DJ's have tweaked the panels in such a way that 'ambient music' sounds like Drum & Bass from 'OUT THERE?'

Many times what might seem like an individual's error is actually a series of collective errors by a theme camp or the entire community, and the "last DJ standing" ends up taking the heat when a few people finally build up the nerve to march in a noise complaint. Other times it really IS just a matter of delivering somebody a well-defined CLUE, since a hint would no longer do.

For instance, there's rarely any monitor speakers set up in most of the Dance Camps. So maybe there should be? Or maybe some of the bigger speakers should be turned to FACE the DJ booth from the far side of the dance area, to 'contain' the sound. I don't know the technical requirements to avoid feedback or clipping, but I have seen some camps do it better than others. So let's get the older, wiser DJ's to mentor the younger, energetic DJ's in a way that 'old dogs' learn new tricks and vice-versa. How do we bring them together?

What we should do is establish a SOUND PATROL MADE ENTIRELY of DJ's! Not Rangers, not Vets, not 'Newbies' or 'Fogies'. The SOUND NAZI's should be the people who have the MOST to LOSE if ALL MUSIC is banned from midnight to sya, 9AM, just as an example for a Sound Turn-Up time? Why? Because members of the DJ community know if another DJ is BS'ing them about modifiying their equipment to make it quieter. DJ's know the difference between Drum & Bass as opposed to Drum & Bugle? I don't. Since there's at least twice as many hours 'unpatrolled' as would need to be patrolled, if you sign up for two hours of spinning, I think it's fair to give back one hour of patrolling. Shifts for Sound Patrol can be arranged via the Main Stage, with guidance from the Participation Station nearby. Training sessions on how to work the dB meter should also be offered, like Ranger Training sessions are, but by leaders in the DJ community. If nothing else, the DJ's working a Sound Patrol Shift get a chance to hear each other, and the lessons learned get spread quicker among a group with a common interest. And if petty arguments break out among two "Diva DJ's", I know people who "would personally disembowel them both SIMULTANEOUSLY with plastic 'sporks' from Wendy's!"

BIG SUMMARY POINT >>>> A genuine 'UP' time needs to be set AS WELL AS a set number of decibals as read from X-feet from the speaker or from the center of the dance floor, or from the Front Gate? or from the top of the "Tower of Babble"...and what about the shouts and silliness of people on top of scaffolds or RV's or bus roofs. Does that get meter readings, too? Some of the Sound Patrol is going to have to be 'self-reliance' and common courtesy no matter what; but for "BASS" noise which seems to be the biggest source of complaints, the use of a METER requires the establishment of METRICS. Therefore, it seems to me that the people who have learned to generate the sound are the best ears and minds to learn how to establish methods and metrics that will contain the sound.

I'm quiet confused....

I didn't notice the sound being a problem this year so much.

Oh well... I hate the sound restrictions & the ticket cap.

Yeah, people tend to get pissed off and bitchy when the people who have hosted PDF for ten years threaten to pull the plug.

Your attempted comment(I think) -
yea, that pretty much sums up the majority of these posts.

Your actual comment-
yea, that pretty much sums up the majority of this post .

it does-
actually just makes you sound like a stupid fucking asshole

and I suspect
that you are not actually doing much fucking

so you
probablly
are just
a stupid
asshole.


But if it weren't for you assholes,
were would shitheads like me come from?

I don't think I've ever heard that song before, and I missed when it was played twice that morning, back to back :)
Someone told me it was the vets who played Black Betty, any confirmation on that?

that was the Vets

they played Black Betty twice - then played a few other songs

I was sitting at the Tower Of Power telling bad jokes to the quiet kid that dresses like Link when they turned it up....

There's a lost and found board on PDF's bbs. Try posting there:

playadelfuego.org/bbs/viewforum.php